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Want to know what college kids are up to these days? I'm impressed!

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thats hot!...bahahahahah


Gasp! They were lip syncing! ;)


man, those are just hilareous! I was laughing so loud. They should do a spoof of the SWG movies spoofing baby got back...




i'm sorry, but not only did i not find those videos remotely funny but everything about them was terrible. I've seen things on the internet a lot funnier, red vs blue and fensler films to name a couple, but i'm just dissapointed that such an awful site was posted, even the videos me and my friends put on the internet are better (but i won't post the url cause i'm not a whore), anyways i still love the site, and sarah, and the show.


Jesus! College kids are scary!


Sarah, I showed thses to one of my college classes and they rolled with laughter! Among their reactions: "How embarassing!" "How did he get those girls to do that?" "What a bunch of spoiled rich kids with nothing to do."


I know this post is not related to the topic but I was looking for the software the Sarah showed on the Screensavers awhile back that was basically a kvm over the network. I remember her demonstrating controlling linux/windows machine with one mouse/monitor/keyboard.


Think I found it.


Didn't do as much as I though. Would be cool if I had to monitors.


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so go go


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thanks for that gmail invite!! can't believe I finally got one.. hehehe..


back to that matter at hand.... I agree, this clip was reprehensible. Sarah, thats 2 terrible videos you've tricked me into clicking thru to. I'm starting to lose my faith in your judgement and may soon assume you're taste in entertainment may be in line with that of "reality TV" fans. Perish the thought.


Wow... you people are amused very easily. The only thing I found funny was how off beat white people can be... LOL



It's today and It's Important!

Proud Voter


MONDAY Nov 1 2004: New information indicates that hackers may be targeting the central computers counting our votes tomorrow. All county elections officials who use modems to transfer votes from polling places to the central vote-counting server should disconnect the modems now.

There is no down side to removing the modems. Simply drive the vote cartridges from each polling place in to the central vote-counting location by car, instead of transmitting by modem. “Turning off” the modems may not be sufficient. Disconnect the central vote counting server from all modems, INCLUDING PHONE LINES, not just Internet.

In a very large county, this will add at most one hour to the vote-counting time, while offering significant protection from outside intrusion.

It appears that such an attack may already have taken place, in a primary election 6 weeks ago in King County, Washington -- a large jurisdiction with over one million registered voters. Documents, including internal audit logs for the central vote-counting computer, along with modem “trouble slips” consistent with hacker activity, show that the system may have been hacked on Sept. 14, 2004. Three hours is now missing from the vote-counting computer's "audit log," an automatically generated record, similar to the black box in an airplane, which registers certain kinds of events.


Here are the details about remote access vulnerability through the modem connecting polling place voting machines with the central vote-counting server in each county elections office. This applies specifically to all Diebold systems (1,000 counties and townships), and may also apply to other vendors. The prudent course of action is to disconnect all modems, since the downside is small and the danger is significant.

The central servers are installed on unpatched, open Windows computers and use RAS (Remote Access Server) to connect to the voting machines through telephone lines. Since RAS is not adequately protected, anyone in the world, even terrorists, who can figure out the server's phone number can change vote totals without being detected by observers.

The passwords in many locations are easily guessed, and the access phone numbers can be learned through social engineering or war dialing.

ELECTION OFFICIALS: The only way to protect tomorrow's election from this type of attack is to disconnect the servers from the modems now. Under some configurations, attacks by remote access are possible even if the modem appears to be turned off. The modem lines should be physically disconnected.

We obtained these documents through a public records request. The video was taken at a press conference held by the King County elections chief Friday Oct 29.

The audit log is a computer-generated automatic record similar to the "black box" in an airplane, that automatically records access to the Diebold GEMS central tabulator (unless, of course, you go into it in the clandestine way we demonstrated on September 22 in Washington DC at the National Press club.)

The central tabulator audit log is an FEC-required security feature. The kinds of things it detects are the kinds of things you might see if someone was tampering with the votes: Opening the vote file, previewing and/or printing interim results, altering candidate definitions (a method that can be used to flip votes).

Three hours is missing altogether from the Sept. 14 Washington State primary held six weeks ago.

Here is a copy of the GEMS audit log.

Note that all entries from 9:52 p.m. until 1:31 a.m. are missing.

One report that GEMS automatically puts in the audit log is the "summary report." This is the interim results report. We obtained the actual Sept. 14 summary reports, printed directly from the King County tabulator GEMS program, because we went there and watched on election night and collected these reports. These reports were also collected by party observers, candidates, and were on the Web site for King County.

Here are summary reports which are now missing from the audit log.

Note the time and date stamps on the reports. Note also that they are signed by Dean Logan, King County elections chief. We have the original reports signed in ink on election night.

What does all this mean?

We know that summary reports show up in the audit log.

There are other audit logs, like the one that tracks modem transmissions, but this audit log tracks summary reports.

Dean Logan held a press conference Friday morning, Oct. 29. Kathleen Wynne, a citizen investigator for Black Box Voting, attended the press conference and asked Dean Logan why three hours are missing from the audit log.

Here is a video clip

Logan said the empty three hours is because no reports were printed. OK. But we have summary reports from 10:34 p.m., 11:38 p.m., 12:11 a.m., 12:46 a.m., and 1:33 p.m. These reports were during the time he said no reports were run. Either the software malfunctioned, or audit log items were deleted. Because remote access through the modems is possible, the system may have been hacked, audit log deleted, without Logan realizing it.

Perhaps there are two of this particular kind of audit log? Perhaps this is an incomplete one?

Bev Harris called King County elections office records employee Mary Stoa, asking if perhaps there are any other audit logs at all. Mary Stoa called back, reporting that according to Bill Huennikens of King County elections, the audit log supplied to us in our public records request is the only one and the comprehensive and complete one.

Perhaps it is a computer glitch?

The audit log is 168 pages long and spans 120 days, and the 3 hours just happen to be missing during the most critical three hours on election night.

Diebold says altering the audit log cannot be done. Of course, we know a chimpanzee can't get into an elections office and play with the computer, but to demonstrate how easy it is to delete audit log entries, we taught a chimpanzee to delete audit records using an illicit "back door" to get into the program, Diebold told reporters it was a "magic show." Yet, Diebold's own internal memos show they have known the audit log could be altered since 2001!

Here is a Diebold memo from October 2001, titled "Altering the audit log," written by Diebold principal engineer Ken Clark:

"King County is famous for it" [altering the audit log]

Here is Dean Logan, telling a Channel 5 King-TV News reporter that there were no unexpected problems with the Diebold programs. This was at the "MBOS" central ballot counting facility in King County in the wee hours of Sept. 15, on Election Night.

Dean Logan on Election Night, Sept 14 2004

Note that he says there were no problems with modem transmission.

When we obtained the trouble slips, in a public records request -- documentation that indeed the modems were not working fine, we were accidentally given the access phone number for King County.

Were we so inclined, if we had simply kept this under our hat, we could take control of your central server on election night from our living room.

Here are the trouble slips showing problems with modems. Note that King County generously provided us with the "secret" information needed to hack in by remote access. We did redact the specific information that gives this information to you.

Here are more trouble tickets. One that is a concern: "OK to format memory card?" (This would wipe out the votes in the electronic ballot box.)

Election officials: Disconnect those modems NOW. If you don't: You gotta be replaced.
Reporters: Some election officials will lie to you. Show your kids what bravery looks like. Be courageous. Report the truth.
Citizens: Please help us by joining the Cleanup Crew. For now, e-mail crew@blackboxvoting.org to join, since our signup form has been taken out.
Candidates: Make a statement. Do not concede on Election Night. Wait until audits and records can be examined.

# # # # #

HOW TO MONITOR THE CENTRAL TABULATOR: Black Box Voting developed these guidelines to help you create an audit log, which can then be compared with the FEC-required computer-generated audit log inside the computer.

Yes, this is a lot of stuff, and it might feel overwhelming, but whatever you can do -- it is very much appreciated.

- A notebook and pen. Preferably a notebook with a sewn binding, if you can find one. Do not take notes on a computer.
- A cell phone
- Binoculars
If you can, also bring these:
- A camera
- A small tape recorder
- A video camera, with a zoom lens if possible

Note that some counties will require you to turn off your video camera during the entering of passwords, a valid request. You should, however, be able to videotape the rest. Don’t pull your camera out right away. Avoid confrontation by leaving your video camera in the bag -- better yet, a purse. Pull it out only when there is an event of significance.


You can’t be effective if you make assumptions or let others intimidate you.
- Don’t let others make you feel dumb.
- Make no assumptions about security. It might be worse than you expect.
- Don’t count on the accuracy of anything other people tell you, even if they work for the county or the vendor.
- About party observers, techies, or lawyers: Remember that they have not examined the actual software or setup, and they are operating on assumptions, hearsay, or in some cases, may be trying to misdirect your attention.
- Vendor contracts prohibit county officials from examining their own software. Elections officials may just be repeating what someone else (the vendor) has told them.

YOUR ROLE AS AN OBSERVER: CREATE YOUR OWN AUDIT LOG so it can be compared to the real audit log.

Write down the following. For every event, write the date, time, including minutes.

1. NAMES & AFFILIATIONS: Get the names of everyone there. Find out affiliation.

2. WHERE ARE THE COMPUTERS: Establish the number and location of all vote tabulation computers. They call them different things: tabulators, servers. What you want is the computer that adds up all the votes from everywhere in the county.
- Some counties have only one. If there are more than one, find out where each one is. If there is more than one tabulator, ask if they are networked together and find out if any of them are in places you can’t observe.

3. SYNCHRONIZE YOUR WATCH with the central vote-tally computer. Ask officials to tell you the time on the computer. If more than one, ask for the time of each and the ID number of each.

log the date and time, to the minute, in this format:
Nov 02 2004 11:25 p.m.
Nov. 03 2004 01:15 a.m.


People: Ask names and affiliations for, and log the START and STOP time for:

a. Who accesses the terminal (the keyboard and screen)
b. Who sits at the terminal
c. Who accesses the server (the computer the screen is hooked up to)
d. Who enters and leaves the room

COMPUTER ACTIVITIES: Log the START and STOP time for the following events and write down the name of the person involved:

a. Putting disks, CDs, or any other item in the computer
b. Taking disks, CDs, or any other item out of the computer
c. Uploading disks, CDs, or any other item
d. Viewing a preview of a report
e. Putting a report on the Web, even if this is done from another computer
f. Printing a report
g. NOTE WHAT’S ON THE SCREEN: Use binoculars to view the screen.
- Note upload icons.
- Use binoculars to read and record error messages. Note the time.
- Note indicators of processes, when a status bar shows how much is left to do

- Watch to see if the program suddenly disappears from the screen (a program crash) or any system error message appears. If so, note the time and other details, and see below for how to record system crashes.
- Get the date and time and note who was at the computer
- Note whether any results were being transmitted or uploaded at the time the crash occurred.
- Did the crash take down the whole computer or did it just close the tabulator program unexpectedly.
- Log all activities and conversations that occur just after the crash. If have a tape recorder, leave it in your purse, now is the time to turn it on. But keep making notes regardless of whether you have tape, and trust your gut. What you think might be important is probably important.


i. Note when, where, and who feeds ballot data into the computer in the central office. Describe what they are feeding the cards into, where the items are located, who does it, and when.


- Note what kind of data storage device is used to move data around. You are looking for floppy disks, CDs, USB keys (about the size of a pack of gum).
- Note where they get the disk from originally (whether it was from the machine, meaning it could have a program or data on it already, or out of a package of new disks).
- Track the chain of custody: Where it is taken, and have someone watch it when taken to any other machine, note what programs you can see on the other machine
- Note whether (and what time) it comes back and if it is put into the machine again.
k. Moving the results: They have to move the results somehow. Ask questions about their procedures.
- Is someone coming and going every hour or so with paper results?
- Are they moving results to the Internet with a floppy or CD or USB key (looks like a little piece of plastic, about the size of a piece of gum)
- If no one is leaving the machine to post the results, chances are they are doing this at the computer, meaning they are probably hooked up to a network or the Internet. Ask questions about the details and record what they say, and the name of the person who says it.
l. If you see somebody open a web page or they do something that lets you know there has been Internet access, write it down.


- Note whether people look worried or stressed. Log the time it begins and the time it ends and who they are.
- A now a word about “wranglers.” Some elections offices appoint a person -- sometimes a party observer they are chummy with -- to act as “wranglers.” They identify any person who might ask troublesome questions, and if an event occurs that could cause embarrassment, the appointed wrangler then goes over to distract the observers. Really. This is an elections procedure in some jurisdictions. They actually call it a wrangler.
- If someone comes over and engages you in conversation, look around, and see if officials have suddenly congregated into an office or people are huddling over a computer. See if you can find out what you are not supposed to see.
- Log behavior that is distracting, noting the time and person.
- Log time and people involved in other distraction events, for example: The lights suddenly go out; a fire alarm goes off; someone spills something, loud noises, someone knocks something over.


Each state has a public records act, but in most cases, you can get records you ask for if you are nice. Here are important records you’ll want:

1. Get a copy of each INTERIM RESULTS REPORT. Stand guard over what you have. If someone comes in to remove or “replace one with a better copy” hang onto the first and take the replacement, marking it. Make sure all interim reports are time-stamped by the computer. If they aren’t, note the exact time you see them appear.

2. Request the COMPUTER AUDIT LOG for Oct. 29-Nov 2 (actually, it is important to get the printout BEFORE YOU LEAVE that night. It will only be a few pages, and can be printed from the vote-tally program’s menu.

3. Ask for a copy of all the POLLING PLACE RESULTS SLIPS. These are sent in with the results cartridges. Try to get copies before you leave that night. If they won’t give copies to you then, put in a public records request and ask how soon you can pick them up.

4. Ask for a copy of THE UPLOAD LOGS. These are on the computer and can be printed out on election night. They list each polling place and the time results were uploaded.

5. There are ADDITIONAL LOGS in the Diebold GEMS programs you can request: From the GEMS folder “data”, ask for the poster logs. There may be folders in the GEMS “data” directory titled “download”, “log”, “poster” and “results”. Ask for copies of these logs.

6. Here’s a report that is very long but incredibly important and valuable. Ask if you can have the ELECTION NIGHT DETAIL REPORT -- the precinct by precinct results as of the time all memory cards are uploaded from all precincts. Depending on the system, they’ll call it different things -- in Diebold, it is called the Statement of Votes Cast (SOVC) report.

7. Let us know which REPORTS THEY REFUSE to give you on Election Night. We can then put in Freedom of Information (public records) requests formally.

Once we have your observation log, and the records you obtain on Election Night, we can start matching up events and data to audit for anomalies.

# # # # #

Post information in the county and state at BlackBoxVoting.ORG. If the site is hacked out, come back as soon as it is up and post the information.

Thank you, and let’s have an orderly election.

# # # # #

Now, there is a film crew who has been brave enough to capture what's really going on:

THIS IS THE ONE: Here's the film that's breaking new ground on voting machine investigations. Includes never before seen footage and information:

download 30 minute preview of the upcoming feature film.

NOTE: Please give your attention to the real film by the real investigators: Russell Michaels, Simon Ardizzone, and Robert Carrillo Cohen -- they are the real deal. (Someone who ran off with a portion of the proprietary footage has been pitching a similarly named, inferior production which is missing most of the good stuff.) By the way, we've worked with most of the documentary producers out there, and Russell Michaels, Simon Ardizzone and Robert Carrillo Cohen are in a class by themselves -- In my opinion, they are the only filmmakers who have been doing real, in-depth, long-term in-the-field investigations on this issue -- Bev Harris.


- Don't concede: Candidates, make a statement about voting without auditing. Hold off on your concession until the canvass is done
- Gotta be replaced: If your county melts down into litigation, hold officials accountable if they chose to ignore warnings and failed to mitigate risks with preventive actions (like disconnecting telephone modems).

Note that most voting machine problems will be found between Nov. 3-12, during the canvass, and a few weeks later, when public records requests are obtained.




wow, sarah you all get paid at g4TechTV to watch that kinda stuff....




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I bet Go Kerry!! just loves to listen to celebrities to fomr his own opinions!


Nawwwww.........Bush all the way........Takes Florida and Ohio!!
Good luck tonight TSS
-a loyal fan

P. Diddy

VOTE OR DIE!! If you dont vote, I will hunt you down and mother f#uckin kill you!!! I cant believe I'm allowed to threaten the life of American people on national tv. I'm a bad boy. Be sure to buy my new Sean John line!.....or I will kill you!!!


Awesome. That's not all we're up to though.


I hate Bush. Damn.


So Kerry turned out to be a quitter. Great. What a great day for America.

Brett Floyd

Told you Bush would win Ohio and Florida........ Go GOP


"oh f-in wah. I hate bush but I'm not sure why!"

Geez...I figured Kerry would have won since celebrities found that a good part of Americans take their opinions and make them there own.


Nice steal from Matt and Trey.
Obviously, there are plenty of dumb Americans out there, who don't think for themselves. Thanks for proving your own point.


Dang, I can't even remember what this post was about by the time I got to the bottom.

I love the fact that so many young voters filled the internet with comments, blogs, and everything else about how the youth of America would make a change, and what happened??? They could'nt Im their vote, had to wait in line for more than 5 minutes and what happened. All talk and no show.

Kerry came, Kerry complained, Kerry flip flopped, Kerry pulled A-listers, Kerry alienated the working class, Kerry lost Florida and Ohio, Kerry went into hiding, Kerry emerged to concede, Kerry cried on TV, Kerry go home and grow beard like Al Gore.

Will Kerry reload in 2008???


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You people keep laughing it up and enjoying the fact that Bush was re-elected. Go on, get a big kick out of it, cause we just basically showed the world that americans really are a bunch of redneck ass backwards war mongering twits. Or at least 51 percent of them.

I am more ashamed than ever to live in this country.

And you people can say "Kerry is a quiter and a baby" but the truth is Kerry did the noble thing by quitting. Even if he stood no chance Kerry could have pushed this for months into court. He is a FREAKING LAWYER and even he had the class to say, no, the american people deserve a result now, and not to have this bogged down into the legal system.

Tell me Bush supporters, if he had have been in Kerry's shoes, do you think he would have done the same thing? Hell na, he would have drug this out for months or maybe like last time just pretty much TAKE the win because of his daddys friends on the supreme court.

4 more years of war, 4 more years of our defecit going down the shitter, 4 more years of fear and propoganda, 4 more years of lies, 4 more years of the world HATING us (as they should now) and basically FOUR MORE YEARS OF HELL.

Thanks a lot america. How about next time you idiot uniformed brainwash losers NOT go vote, instead throwing yourself off a tall building into a pool of glass shards and at the same time making the world better for the rest of the free thinking people.


Random Quotes from Hunter S. Thompson from the current Rolling Stone:

"Republicans have never approved of democracy, and they never will. It goes back to preindustrial America, when only white male property owners could vote."

"If Nixon were running for president today, he would be seen as a 'liberal' candidate, and he would probably win. He was a crook and a bungler, but what the hell? Nixon was a barrel of laughs compared to this gang of thugs from the Halliburton petroleum orginization who are running the White House today - and who will be running it this time next year, if we (the once-proud, once-loved and widely respected 'american people') don't rise up like wounded warriors and whack those lying petroleum pimps out of the White House on November 2nd."

"When young Bush was at Yale in the Sixties, he told the same joke over and over again for two years, according to some of his classmates. One of them still remembers it:
There was a young man named green
who invented a jack-off machine
on the twenty third stroke
the damn thing broke
and churned his nuts into cream

'it was horrible to hear him tell it,' said the classmate, who spoke only on condition of anonymity. He lifted his shirt and showed me a scar on his back put there by young George. "He burned this into my flesh with a red-hot poker," he said solemnly, "and I have hated him ever since. That jackass was born cruel. He burned me in the back while I was blindfolded. This scar will be with me forever"
There is nothing new or secret about that story. It ran on the front page of the Yale Daily News and caused a nasty scandal for a few weeks, but nobody was ever expelled for it. George did his first cover-up job. And he liked it."

"I watch three or four frantic network-news bulletins about Iraq every day, and it is all just fraudulent Pentagon propaganda, the absolute opposite of what it says: U.S> TRANSFERS SOVEREIGNTY TO IRAQI INTERIM GOVERMENT. Hot damn! Iraq is finally Free, and just in time for the election!! It is a deliberate cowardly lie. We are no more giving power back to the iraqi people than we are about to stop killing them.
Your neighbor's grandchildren will be fighting this stupid, greed-crazed Bush family 'war' against the whole Islamic world for the rest of their lives, if John Kerry is not elected to be the new President of the United States in November.
The question this year is not whether President Bush is acting more and more like the head of a fascist government but if the American people want it that way. That is what this election is all about. We are down to the nut-cutting time, and millions of people are angry. They want a Regime Change.
Some people say that George Bush shouuld be run down and sacrificed to the Rat gods. But not me. No. I say it would be a lot easier to just vote the bastard out of office on November 2nd."

"Four more years of george Bush will be like four more years of syphilis,"...."Only a fool or a sucker would vote for a dangerous loser like Bush,"..."he hates everything we stand for, and he knows we will vote against him in NOvember"

"Of course I will vote for John Kerry. I have known him for thirty years as a good man with a brave heart - which is more than even the president's friends will tell you about George W. Bush, who is also an old acquaintance from the white knuckled days of yesteryear. He is hated all over the world, including large parts of Texas, and he is taking us all down with him.
Bush is a natural born loser with a filthy rich daddy who pimped his son out to rich oil mongers. He hates music, football and sex, in no particular order, and he is no fun at all."

"We were angry and righteous in those days, and there were millions of us. We kicked tow chief executives out of the White House because they were stupid warmongers. We conquered Lyndon Johnson and we stomped on Richard Nixon - which wise people said was impossible, but so what? It was fun. We were warriors then, and our tribe was strong like a river.
That river is still running. All we have to do is get out and vote, while its still legla, and we will wash those crooked warmongers out of the white house."


good stuff, I reccomend reading the whole article. Kinda sad though, in the after thought of the election of bush again and the relization that apparently half of the country is just as mean and stupid as Bushy. Ah well.

Sorry for taking up so much space Sarah but I know how much you Love Thompsons' writting.


A quitter as in - he didnt even wait till it was all over. He didnt need to drag it out - just at least make voting for him worth our while by waiting till the very end. Sigh.


He said that the army votes and the provisional votes will all be counted, but its been told that all the army votes went to Bush and with prov. ballots he needed virtually 95 percent of them to be counted valid AND be votes for Kerry and honestly it wasn't going to happen.

My question, what happens if they do end up finding out he won in Ohio?

I applaud him for not making a 3 ring circus out of it though, they said his legal team was begging him to contest a lot of states and go nuts with this thing. And for all those people that said that Kerry was just a stupid lawyer and would hurt the country instead he did the opposite in the end. America hurt itself by voting Bush in again.


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You are all fucked now that half you idiots voted for to retain your dumn ass leader! May you be struck buy my lightening next time I get pissed and have a storm....



Yeah, we're stupid when you can't even spell. How much are you selling your lighting for?


Folks, could someone please explain to me why those voting for Bush are stupid?

Do democrats REALLY believe that? I can understand strongly disagreeing with another citizen's opinion but to classify half the US population as "stupid" seems a bit extreme.

This kind of attitude is probably contributing to the loss of democrat seats in congress as well. If you want to bring people over to your side of the aisle, so to speak, it might be more constructive to initiate a dialog with your political rivals rather than write them off as idiots.


Well, SOME of 'em are stupid. But many Democrats are stupid as well. Myself, for one. It is my opinion, however, that there must be more naive or gullible folks on the other side of the aisle, as you put it. But I'm an idiot Democrat, so I'm likely wrong about that.


Don't wanna be an American Idiot.
Don't want a nation under the new mania.
Can you hear the sound of hysteria?
The subliminal mind **** America.


I don't see why everyone seems to hate Busch so much. (Or atleast alittle less than half of everyone) He seems like he knows more facts compared to Kerry who said alot of flase things.


Actually Petrov, most the entire free thinking world thinks we are idiots for voting bush back in AND half of americans think that way. Pretty much the only people in the world that don't think they are stupid for voting for bush back in ARE the people that voted for bush.

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